Dr Edward: 0:08

Okay, we are live here for the pets. I am super excited to introduce a very special guest today, Dr Judy Morgan from the USA, who is someone who I have been admiring for years for passionate devotion to getting out in the world and educating people around what to do to have healthy pets and avoid things that cause harm. So, Dr Judy, I am really excited to have you here. Thanks so much for coming along.

Dr Judy Morgan: 1:00

Well, thanks for the invitation. I am really happy to be here.

Dr Edward: 1:03

You are welcome, so I will just introduce Dr Judy quickly. Dr Judy, dbmcba, cbcp, cvft, has over 38 years of experience as an integrator, veterinarian, acupuncturist, chiropractor, food therapist, author, speaker, podcast host and is the owner of Dr Judy Morgan's Naturally Healthy Pets. Her goal is to change the life of pets by educating and empowering pet parents worldwide in the use of natural healing therapies and by minimizing the use of chemicals, vaccinations and poor quality processed food. She has got a stack of awards 2018 Women of the Year in Pet Industry, 2019, pet Age Women of Influence 2019, iaotp Veterinarian of the Year 2019, veterinarian Hero Award nominee to 2021, iaotp Empowered Women of the Year, game Change Award winner last year and People's Choice Award winner this year.

Dr Edward: 2:13

Dr Judy's ideal client is a pet parent that treats their pet like a family member and people who explore alternatives to the commonly recommended chemical or drug therapies. Also, people who are willing to butt heads with their veterinarians if they think they need to right. Yes, so I thought before we got into this, tell us a little bit about your pets. What animals?

Dr Judy Morgan: 2:38

share your life. Oh my gosh, i think there's 53 on our farm and we're actually getting another dog this weekend another rescue.

Dr Judy Morgan: 2:49

So we have been heavily involved in rescue for a long time and we recently moved from New Jersey to North Carolina about two years ago, and when we moved to North Carolina we bought 23 acres to have our rescue farm, something I've wanted for a long time. So we have horses, we have a draft mule, we have donkeys, we have goats, we have miniature horses, chickens soon to be five dogs and 11 cats 11 cats.

Dr Judy Morgan: 3:23

Well, yeah, that was accidental. We came to North Carolina with three lost one not too long ago to cancer, unfortunately And then two barn kitties moved into our barn, two pregnant mamas, and so between them they had eight kittens, which is why we now have 11 cats because we really stink at finding homes in other people's barns or homes, so we kept them all, and they're wonderful, and my favorite animals on the farm, though, are the donkeys. I've wanted donkeys my entire life, and so, at the age of 63, i finally got donkeys.

Dr Edward: 4:06

Tell me a little bit about what is a draft mule.

Dr Judy Morgan: 4:09

A draft mule. so a mule is a donkey, horse cross, So they're sterile. And a draft mule is a draft horse, so huge, horse crossed with a donkey. So the mules, they have the big ears and they don't have much mane and they have kind of a brushy little tail but she's huge. So a regular mule is going to be kind of average horse size. But then when you put the draft in there and we have two draft horses, one of them is like the third biggest horse in the world and he only has one eye.

Dr Judy Morgan: 4:41

Yeah, he only has one eye. He was a rescue. The draft mule and the draft horse were both rescued from being Amish work animals got past their useful life and ended up at the kill pen. Most of our animals came from the kill pen, which means they were being auctioned to be made into meat, and so couldn't see that happen, so we brought them home.

Dr Edward: 5:07

That's beautiful. I'm kind of bit envious. I live in suburbia and I have two dogs and two cats. That's enough for a suburban block. But I'd love to be on a farm one day and have horses and maybe a donkey. I never thought of having a donkey.

Dr Judy Morgan: 5:18

Oh my gosh, they're the most amazing things. I absolutely love them.

Dr Edward: 5:23

So the topic we're going to dig into today with you is natural pet health and longevity, which is kind of your sweet spot, i think. So if there was just one thing that pet owners could do to increase vitality, health and longevity, if you could tell us in just five minutes I know we're going to dig into this in a whole lot more detail as we unfold this whole podcast episode but what would it be?

Dr Judy Morgan: 5:52

The number one thing is feed them a healthy diet, a species appropriate. So we're talking dogs and cats. We're talking they need a meat-based diet and our cats are obligate carnivores so they have to be eating meat. We need to move away from convenience, which really. Dry kibble was made as a convenience for the pet owner. It is absolutely one of the worst things that was ever invented for our pets. It's just so high in carbohydrates and unfortunately, the pet food industry took something that originally started out maybe a little bit better and they are now changing it to where can we put all the waste products from the human food industry? And if you look at who the biggest owners of pet food companies are, especially in the dry kibble space, they're human food companies. In particular, one of them is a candy company, so they've got all this waste. And if they can make money off the waste by putting it into pet food and reselling it, it makes perfect sense when what you're concerned about is the bottom line of what's your net profit versus what would be the best thing to feed our animals. So for people who have been told by their veterinarians for so many years only put dry kibble in the bowl, don't give them anything else, you'll screw it up and make it unbalanced. If you add anything to the bowl, i'm here to tell you that is false. If you can't move away from kibble, people have a million reasons and I'm not here to shame anybody about anything. My dogs are all raw fed and my cats, but that's my choice. If you can't move away from kibble, then please add some whole foods to the bowl. We have a download on super food toppers. But if you can feed them eggs I know eggs have gotten really expensive. That's why we have so many chickens, so that we have our own egg production. Things like eggs, dark leafy greens that are sauteed or at least chopped up, fine mushrooms, are like the super food of the world for us and for them. They prevent cancer. That's good fiber source. It's so good for the bowel, it's so good for our immune system. Pumpkin is another great super food topper fresh fruits like blueberries that have such great antioxidants.

Dr Judy Morgan: 8:23

There's been great studies. There was a great study out of Purdue many years ago actually where they took a litter of dogs and they split them in half. They said, okay, this half is only going to get their dry kibble in their bowl and this half is going to get their dry kibble. Then we're also going to add 25 to 30 percent of fresh food toppers in that bowl. The average lifespan of the dogs that got the fresh food toppers was 25 to 35 percent longer than the dogs that were only fed kibble.

Dr Judy Morgan: 8:58

That's a study that took almost 15 years to do. That's why we don't see a lot of these studies, because they take a long time and you have to house these animals and take care of them. You have to be very strict about what goes in so that there's not a lot of different parameters that are affecting it. If I wanted to do that study in my own house, i would have to make sure the dogs all got the same exercise, that they all got the same water and that the only thing that varied was what was going in the bowl. It's a difficult process to go through a big study and that's why we don't see a lot of them, unfortunately.

Dr Judy Morgan: 9:38

The number one thing that I would say is get fresh food in the bowl, If you can get. there are wonderful pet food companies now that are making human grade foods that have human grade ingredients. If you can go to raw food, there are great companies that make raw foods. You've got some great ones in.

Dr Judy Morgan: 9:56

Australia. We've got some great ones here. If you want to make your own dog food, i've got tons of recipes in my books on my website. You don't even have to pay for the ones on the website. But making your own food is an option for a lot of people. For others, they don't even cook for themselves. They don't have time, they can't get the ingredients. I get it. Again, don't want to shame anybody. Sometimes I make my own dog food. Sometimes I don't have time and I'm using commercial foods that I know the company is and I feel comfortable with. That's going to make.

Dr Judy Morgan: 10:27

The biggest change in your pet's health is just getting them on a diet that supports them. It's like if you wanted to build a house. We'll go back to the three little pigs from what we were children. You could build your house out of straw. You could build your house out of sticks. You could build your house out of bricks. Well, bricks make the best foundation If we want to build a strong, thriving body in our pets. What are we going to start with? We're going to start with food that is going to give them the best foundation. That's not going to be little, dry, burnt, brown balls that have been highly processed using waste products.

Dr Edward: 11:06

Yeah, the first thing I tell every client that comes in is get your pets on a fresh, whole food diet If you can get away from kibble. You talked about kibble being high in carbohydrates. I think in a minute we're going to talk about a little bit more in-depth, about avoiding processed foods and why. But I call kibble slow poison. I think it's just the most vile unnatural substance. It's a dead food. It actually uses up the animals vital energies to digest it. It doesn't add vital energy. It degrades vitality over time. It's really shocking stuff, yeah.

Dr Judy Morgan: 11:45

Totally agree.

Dr Edward: 11:46

So there's three teaching points that you wanted to take us through today, and the first one is how to use natural healing therapies with our pets. What can you tell us about that?

Dr Judy Morgan: 12:00

So one of the problems that we're seeing is that our pets' lifespans are so much shorter than what they used to be. If we go back and look at the 1970s, at least here in the US, and we looked at the average lifespan of a medium-sized dog, it was well into their late teens And now the average life expectancy is like 10 or 11. And I see it on social media all the time. People say, oh, I just had to let my dog go across the rainbow bridge today And he had a great life. He lived to 11. That's a ripe old age And I just want to cry and say 11 is not a ripe old age. Our dog should be living to 20. And I don't care what size dog it is, And I have friends whose great Danes get to 17. That is huge. So we have to change our mindset is part of it. So one we're going to start with a really good foundation, with a really good diet, And then we're going to look at what can we do to extend that, that life span, but also that health span.

Dr Judy Morgan: 13:12

We see so much chronic inflammatory disease in our pets And if we stop using drugs. So, for instance, if I'm having an allergic reaction to something. I could run out and buy antihistamines. I could get a steroid prescription and I could put up that fire pretty much instantly. You take a pill and in an hour the symptoms are gone, but then the pill wears off in a day and the symptoms are right back. I haven't cured anything. However, if I say, ooh, what am I allergic to? What is it that set me off? Okay, can I avoid that? What can I do? Like right now? one of my cats broke his leg and one of the barn kiddies broke his leg, had to have surgery. So he's been stuck in my house for seven weeks, in my office, because he has to be confined. It's spring, he's shedding like a banshee and as soon as I walk in the office, he's like climbing all over. I've swallowed more cat hair in the last seven weeks than I have in seven years, And so he's giving me a cough. Well, I know what the inciting cause is. What's the solution? Well, let's brush the cat more so that we get rid of the hair that's flying everywhere, And also, let's give the cat some snuggles before he decides he has to jump and climb over my face.

Dr Judy Morgan: 14:29

But instead of taking a steroid, instead of taking an antihistamine. I could also do things like take Corsatin, I could drink nettle tea. I could do things that are naturally going to allow my body to be less reactive. And we can do the same thing with our pets. So if we heal their gut health, if we give them a species-appropriate diet and then, when they have a problem with something, we reset the body and use natural, we use herbs, we use tinctures, we use medicinal plants, We use the diet and we help the body reset itself so that it's not having that immune system overreaction, so that it's not constantly in this state of chronic inflammation. Veterinary medicine unfortunately well even human traditional medicine is all about putting out fires. It's not about asking the body to heal itself, about resetting things. So we really have to come at it from a different mindset. My dog has inflammatory bowel diseases. He's always got mucus in his stool. He's you know, I see blood spots in the stool.

Dr Judy Morgan: 15:39

He's got acid reflux, okay. Well, yes, we could put them on anacids, we could put them on antibiotics for the bowel, we could put them on steroids for the bowel. Have we cured anything? Nope, all we've done is stop the symptoms. We have not cured the disease.

Dr Judy Morgan: 15:57

So if we approach it from a different direction and say, well, what's making him do that? Is it because he's got a lot of stress in his life? Do I have a lot of stress in my life that is making my dog stressed? Is that why he's got chronic colitis? Am I feeding him something that just doesn't agree with him? Am I feeding him something that he just really doesn't digest? well, so when we approach it from a different direction and we say, wow, he's got a lot of inflammation in his gut, how can I naturally calm that down and allow it to heal, instead of just putting a bandaid on the symptoms? So it's just a matter. So we can use a lot of natural healing.

Dr Judy Morgan: 16:34

Again, we have so many things at our fingertips that we can use now. There's energy medicine, there's food, there's herbs, there's essential oils. There are just so many different ways to come at things now, and that's one of the things when I started doing more holistic therapies and I became an integrated veterinarian instead of a traditional Western veterinarian. Things started coming at me so fast that I had to decide like, oh, do I wanna use homeopathy? Do I wanna use essential oils? Do I wanna use flower essences? Do I wanna use acupuncture, chiropractic, what is it that speaks to me? What works best in my hands? So if you're using something, or your veterinarian's using something, and that's not working, it's not getting you to where you wanna be. There's always something else in the toolbox, and that's what I love about it.

Dr Edward: 17:28

Yeah, and I think too in my experience, you sometimes have to try a range of different kinds of natural healing therapies before you find the right fit for your animals' needs.

Dr Judy Morgan: 17:39

Yeah, Exactly, exactly Because there's no one-size-fits-all with anything. People ask me what's the best diet for a boxer? I'm like I don't know. They're not all the same.

Dr Edward: 17:50

Oh, those foods that are so called for breeds and ages and things like that really make my blood boil because they have the biggest body rip-off and They are Just awful, awful.

Dr Judy Morgan: 18:01

Yeah, every pet is an individual. So you, for instance, i have four dogs in my house right now, so it'd be five. But when I'm making meals for my dogs, no two bowls are the same because they have different needs. So, and I have a 10-pound dog who eats three times what my 30-pound dog eats.

Dr Judy Morgan: 18:21

Because, he is so active and he just he never gains weight. He is just a crazy going all the time. So if I fed him with the same mindset as I feed my 30-pound, less active dog, oh my gosh, the poor guy would die of starvation. So we have to look at every single one as an individual. And there was a social media post that I was looking at earlier today and somebody said oh, my dog just went to the veterinarian and he said, oh, he's two kilos overweight and he's 28 pounds. He's got to lose two kilos. He's on kibble. So I'm thinking, instead of giving him a half cup twice a day, i'll cut him down to a quarter cup twice a day. and somebody else online was like oh yeah, i did that with my dog. I just cut him down to a third of a cup once a day. This is like a 30-pound dog.

Dr Judy Morgan: 19:11

And my response to that is when you buy a commercial food like kibble, it gives you feeding instructions on the side of the bag. For a dog that weighs 25 pounds, feed this X amount And the problem is the formulation is made for all the vitamins and minerals to be in that amount for that size dog. So if you just cut the amount in half and you're feeding half what is recommended on the bag. you've also cut your nutrition in half as far as amino acids, vitamins, minerals. So now you have a pet who is deficient in a lot of things.

Dr Judy Morgan: 19:50

You're not gonna see the results today, you're not gonna see the results this week, but give it a few months and you're going to have hair falling out, dry skin, mobility issues. There's just gonna be so much going on And your dog probably isn't really gonna lose weight because all you're doing is slowing down their metabolism even more. And now they have no nutrient density to give them any energy. It's just it becomes this cascade of. I have a problem and I'm making the problem so much worse. Now, if we got the carbs out of that dog's diet, we could probably feed them twice as much and have them still lose weight, because they wouldn't have the starches and they wouldn't have the inflammation. Obesity is an inflammatory problem. Oh, absolutely. So we need to again changing mindset and educating people to be empowered to understand that. oh gee, maybe that isn't gonna work. So that is why I do all the education stuff because I want people to understand it and have a reason behind what they're doing instead of guessing.

Dr Edward: 20:58

I always say that feeding a dog or a cat starches is a bit like putting diesel in a petrol car Doesn't work. So let's now dig into a little bit about minimizing the use of toxic chemicals and vaccinations.

Dr Judy Morgan: 21:15

So how much time do we have We?

Dr Edward: 21:18

just spend a week on what we're talking about. We can.

Dr Judy Morgan: 21:20

So I'm gonna start with vaccines, because that's actually a little bit easier. So we have known for quite a while that vaccinations last a very well the core vaccines that we give our dogs and cats. So Distemper, parvovirus, rabies, panlecopenia and the kitties which is their Distemper. We have known for a long time that these core vaccines last a very, very long time. So originally, when the vaccines came out, there was no real science behind it. It was just sort of somebody just said we should make this an annual thing, we'll give them every year.

Dr Judy Morgan: 22:01

Well, if your pediatrician told you to bring your child in every year to get the same set of vaccines, well, actually 80% of the people would do it because they believe what the white coat says, and we've seen the same thing in the veterinary world. It was an arbitrary choice to do it annually. So now AVMA and AHA I don't know how it is in Australia, but what they've done is they arbitrarily said well, every three to five years. No science behind that, no studies behind that, but we could back it off. On the core vaccines we can probably go every three. There is a little more science behind the rabies vaccine but for most animals we do know the rabies vaccine lasts many, many, many years And for some animals one puppy shot, kitten shot will keep them protected for their life.

Dr Judy Morgan: 22:50

So why are we jabbing the immune system every year? And I see records for little 10 pound animals that go in and they get five shots at once And each of those shots contains multiple vaccines. Hi, cutie pie.

Dr Edward: 23:07

Yes, you can see him on your podcast, but my little dogs just come to help out.

Dr Judy Morgan: 23:11

He's adorable. So we end up with these poor animals just getting jabbed in. their immune system, basically, is in confusion. It's like I already knew what that was and it's sort of like being pregnant. When you're pregnant, you're pregnant, You can't be more pregnant. So, when you're protected with a vaccine, you're protected. You can't be more protected by giving more.

Dr Edward: 23:37

That's true, isn't it When you?

Dr Judy Morgan: 23:39

eat a meal and you're full. Eating more doesn't make you feel better. It makes you feel worse.

Dr Edward: 23:48

Because when your animal has strong antibody labels, what happens is you put the vaccine in which is being injected under the skin, which is an unnatural route of infection, which is one of the reasons why the immune system gets confused when you get vaccine. Sometimes It causes all sorts of problems, but the antibodies in the body stop the body reacting to the vaccine. So all you're doing in that case is an opportunity for harm, not an opportunity for any kind of well-being or greater disease protection anything like that, right?

Dr Judy Morgan: 24:18

Exactly, and I saw another social media post that I'm not usually on social media very much and I don't know why I was today. I think it was why I was eating lunch, which is a bad thing to do, but anyway, somebody said that their dog got a series of puppy shots And they were supposed to go back for like the third or fourth or whatever in the series and they were late by a couple of weeks. So the veterinarian told them they have to start all over again. Oh man, really, yes, really. Well, of course That was off the charts Wrong.

Dr Judy Morgan: 24:48

It is off the charts, wrong. And of course, she posted this on a natural pet website, thank goodness, because 150 people said, oh my gosh, change vets, get your vets some education. But I see this quite commonly, that they have this. So if I bring in my puppy at 16 weeks old, they say, well, how many vaccines has he had? Oh, we have to start all over, because this is the first time we're seeing him And I get records with puppies that have had literally a series of seven or eight multivalent vaccines.

Dr Judy Morgan: 25:22

Forget it. That dog is now set up for life with allergies, ibd. You wanna know why these animals have all these chronic issues? Because we set them up for it.

Dr Edward: 25:30

So Well, that's really true, isn't it?

Dr Judy Morgan: 25:32

Yeah, it's a mess.

Dr Edward: 25:35

That's one thing that in our profession really upsets me is that, particularly as an integrator, veterinarian, where I get hammered with where's your evidence base, why aren't you doing evidence-based medicine? And I say well, look at your vaccination schedule, why aren't you doing evidence-based?

Dr Judy Morgan: 25:50

medicine Exactly.

Dr Edward: 25:52

Why isn't the goal standard to Teta test every animal to see if they need every vaccination? And if you can get a puppy that's not being vaccinated, well, you can Teta test them to see how much maternal antibodies they got in and not vaccinate them till the maternal antibodies disappear.

Dr Judy Morgan: 26:07

Exactly, and it's interesting because I think I don't even think they really talk about titer testing in the veterinary schools And so I think a lot of the veterinarians are actually confused by the whole titer thing. So you'll see it on social media and you'll hear them say it on podcasts. Well, we don't have enough evidence that titers actually show us the immunity of the animal. What, wait a minute, where did you learn immunology? So it's crazy, and really a lot of the immunology studies Dr Ron Schultz has done so much for us, for our animals.

Dr Judy Morgan: 26:45

We, what I started doing in my practice in the last five or six years of my practice because as I learned more and more and more, we would have my holistic clients The traditional clients are, you know sometimes came at things from a different direction and they would actually ask for more vaccines and I have to talk them out of it.

Dr Judy Morgan: 27:04

But for the holistic clients, they're like I want the bare minimum. And so we started really keeping track and we would give a single parvo vaccine to our puppies and a single distemper vaccine and we wouldn't give them at the same time. We'd give them a few weeks apart and then we'd wait about four weeks and we would do titers. We got much stronger titers in those animals and for the kitty cats we would give one panleucopenia vaccine at about 14 weeks old and then again come back with the titers. And what we found is those animals where we use that protocol, where they only got one vaccine and they got it by itself. Their titers came back stronger and lasted longer than the ones who had four, five, six, seven vaccines.

Dr Edward: 27:45

Well, you know what? We can't get monovalent vaccines in Australia.

Dr Judy Morgan: 27:49

We can't get them here anymore. We need to get parvo. The only monovalent distemper still available is for ferrets, but it's a canine distemper vaccine. So you know, if you are a holistic vet and you're using that, then you're using it off-label but it's a canine distemper vaccine, so they make it more difficult. And actually there was a drug company here who had a DHPP vaccine, the distemper hepatitis parvo.

Dr Edward: 28:18

That was actually labeled as a three-year vaccine And We've got a lot of labeled three-year ones in Australia.

Dr Judy Morgan: 28:26

See, we have none other than rabies now. Yeah, only rabies.

Dr Edward: 28:29

You've got three-year labeled ones. Oh, that's crazy.

Dr Judy Morgan: 28:31

And they took it. They had it on the market. I was so excited. I was like, oh, thank goodness, now I can't have people yelling at me saying you know where's your evidence, blah, blah. I'm like, good, i can at least get three years. And they only left it on the market for a few years And when they came in and said they didn't have it anymore, i said why not? They said veterinarians won't buy it because they want people coming in every year for vaccines.

Dr Edward: 28:53

Well, you know some I don't know how long ago now it'll be 15 years ago when I woke up to this whole over-vaccination thing and read Dr Ronald's research and I had a home visit practice in Townsville, so I stopped doing yearly vaccinations and started TDA testing. I lost 30% income that year that I did that right. So I did And I just thought well, you know, i'm here to be a veterinarian and care for animals And I'm not. If I'm gonna lose some income by doing this, so what? But that's a big part of the reason in the industry, i think. I think the other thing too. We'll just quickly touch on minimizing the use of chemicals, and you know ISOX as a lens. We're looking at you here because you're the biggest, baddest, nastiest, most poisonous thing on that front.

Dr Judy Morgan: 29:41

Yeah, it's sort of my goal to get those taken off the market, But instead Australia just came out with injectable Boreecto Like what is wrong, what is wrong?

Dr Judy Morgan: 29:51

And now they have the next guard, plus, plus, plus, plus for cats that has like six different things in it. So not only are these parasite chemicals just absolutely horrible for our animals, The injectable heartworm prevention, the pro heart, which is Moxidectin, has killed so many dogs, and so what do they do? They take it off the market and then they bring it back unchanged and then triple the dose in there and make it a 12-month shot instead of a six-month shot. I'm sorry, stop looking for convenience and let's look at what our pets really need.

Dr Edward: 30:27

It's way beyond convenience, i think And you talked about Boreecto going to Borecto Plus and the next guard going to the next guard plus There's this well-worn path in this toxic chemical industry They bring out a product and then a year or two later they make it a plus product where they add another active or actives into it and charge you a whole lot more for it and poison your pet a bit more to boot. And you want to be aware of that.

Dr Judy Morgan: 30:53

You know not good, but I did a social media rant, i think, last week about the state of the veterinary profession And I had some statistics which I don't have in front of me right now, but it was talking about the billion, billions of dogs I think it's 12 billion has been spent on supplements and medications for pets in the US last year.

Dr Judy Morgan: 31:22

And the veterinary market was the majority of it, and in the veterinary market, something like 70% of what they sold was parasite prevention. So that's heartworms, fleas and ticks Over $7 billion. You want to know why veterinarians want every pet on a preventative medication every month, all year long.

Dr Edward: 31:50

Because it's a profit line man.

Dr Judy Morgan: 31:52

It is a huge profit line.

Dr Edward: 31:54

And why, why, Why and I'm going to have a rant here Why the hell would you give an animal anything? An insecticide, Please when they don't have fleas on them for a start.

Dr Judy Morgan: 32:05

Exactly, exactly.

Dr Edward: 32:07

And likewise gut worms, when we can do a poo sample, send it off and see if there's actually a problem there. But the people are giving a worm a. I mean I ask people when they come in and say, well, when did you last have a worm tablet?

Dr Judy Morgan: 32:19

Exactly.

Dr Edward: 32:20

Most of the time.

Dr Judy Morgan: 32:21

And your children. I mean again. I equate this as If I took my child to the pediatrician and they had boxes of food lined up on the counter and it was these little dry balls and they said just put this in your child's bowl, make them eat it every morning. It's got all the vitamins and minerals they need. Please don't ever give them anything else. This is all they need. I would look at them like they were crazy If they told me I had to bring them in for 17 vaccines every year. I would think they were crazy. And if they said here, give your child this neurotoxic pesticide orally every month. It will make sure that your child doesn't get fleas or lice or intestinal parasites.

Dr Edward: 33:03

We could use that the head lice one, Exactly Because we don't poison our kids every month to make sure they don't get head lice and we would never do that.

Dr Judy Morgan: 33:10

No. So our animals? they're victims here. They depend on us to take care of them and improve their health and not poison them. And I feel sorry for pet parents because there's somebody in a white coat with a diploma on the wall behind them that says I spent a million years in college and a million dollars getting this piece of paper in this white coat. You should trust me. So I feel sorry for the pet parents because they're being duped.

Dr Edward: 33:46

Yeah, well, you know what? I feel sorry for a lot of people in the white cloaks because they're being duped. They are, and I think it's really important to me that we don't bash veterinarians. No.

Dr Judy Morgan: 33:58

Do not bat. Somebody asked me this earlier today How do I have my veterinarians sew against me raw feeding? How do I have this conversation with them that I'm going to raw feed my dog and we're not going to bash heads? And the problem is, at least in this country, avma, aha, cdc, all have statements on their websites saying do not feed raw feed to your pets. So the veterinarians are being taught this. It's the mindset that they have and it is their belief system because that is what has been fed to them. So when veterinary schools are being funded by big pharma and big pet food and that's the narrative, of course that's what the veterinarian believes. So I'm not saying your veterinarians are purposely trying to poison your pets or over-vaccinate your pets. They are doing what. they spent that million dollars and million years learning to do.

Dr Edward: 34:58

That's right. We have to understand and be compassionate that our vets have been brainwashed and they're not getting the right information, and there are very powerful forces bringing information in. Yes, but enough ranting for a moment. Ranting is not so good for our immune systems.

Dr Edward: 35:14

We have one thing that happens in this podcast every time we do it in the middle which is a little self-care interlude. So, judy, what do you do in your life? What's the one or two or three things that you do to keep yourself you know, instead of retiring, just powering on and educating millions of people about what pets need to be healthy?

Dr Judy Morgan: 35:35

So my absolute favorite time of day my husband and I tend to wake up fairly early and we're surrounded by dogs in our bed and around the bed. So we wake up and we have our coffee maker set the night before. So my husband gracious guy that he is he gets up and he brings in the coffee pot and two cups And we have our first cup of morning coffee together, by our windows, overlooking the farm animals, and so we watch them as they're kind of coming in and saying it's going to be breakfast time And then eventually the donkeys will start screaming and braying at us and saying you know, we've checked our watch and it's time for you to be out here. And my absolute favorite time of the day is my morning in the barn with all the animals listening to the chickens talking and the animal or the donkeys and horses talking to me and saying you better hurry up. Like I want to be fed faster.

Dr Judy Morgan: 36:31

I love cleaning stalls, so scrubbing food buckets and water bowls and, you know, cleaning stalls. It's like this is great, i'm outside. I love being outside. We have an RV, We go camping, we love getting away and doing that, but we take our dogs. So I do that I will tune out completely from social media, my phone, any input and just kind of chillax. I do that a lot on the weekends and I do that in the evenings And so you know sometimes people will be like I've been trying to get ahold of you all evening and I'm like see you in it tomorrow. Sorry, but you know it is.

Dr Judy Morgan: 37:15

I think it's really critically important because we have I mean, we have a mini computer that we walk around with all the time and it's so easy to get caught up in being bombarded And it's really critical that we take that time to really disconnect from everything Like. And if you even sit in your house with nothing going on and listen to how many things make noise the washing machine makes noise, it pings and dings. The dryer pings and dings The refrigerator if you leave the door ajar for an extra minute. The dishwasher when it, the stove when it's warming up, when it gets to temperature, when the timer goes off There are things pinging and dinging at us all day long.

Dr Edward: 38:05

And then you got all the radiation, emfs and things that you can't hear but are filling your energy fields with static.

Dr Judy Morgan: 38:11

Yeah, it's all crazy, yeah, So we, when we built our house a couple of years ago my husband's an architect and he designed our farm, so it's very cool, but our favorite place is our outside living area And that's where, at the end of the day, we just go hang out out there again, watching the animals, listening to the animals, talking to the animals, and so I really am an animal lover in an animal person and spending time, and I love flowers and plants Okay, beautiful.

Dr Judy Morgan: 38:47

So, We are surrounded by a lot of greenery and a lot of.

Dr Edward: 38:51

So you're a gardener as well. by the sound of it, you like growing things.

Dr Judy Morgan: 38:54

I'm really good at growing herbs and flowers. I really stink at growing vegetables. I wish I was better. I'm not, but.

Dr Edward: 39:01

I have a great herb garden.

Dr Edward: 39:04

So what I'm hearing you say is time with animals, time in nature and time to unplug from media and input so that you just get a bit of peace for your nervous system, for self-care, absolutely, i totally agree with all of them. So we're coming close to the end of our time here. So how do people put? What should people do? What kind of action can people take to help their pets hopefully live? you know, mitzi here is about 11 or 12. I'm just picking up. No one can see him, but he's just. I think We lost our old Weppet two weeks ago at the age of 16 and he's been extra needing extra cuddles because he's missing us. Sure, yeah. So what? What So? what So? what So? what So? what So? what So? what So? what So? what So? what So? what So? what So what? What should people do?

Dr Judy Morgan: 39:52

So one, empower yourself through education. Just get more knowledge. So there's so many good holistic veterinarians that are teaching, offering courses, writing books. There's just a ton of information out there. So, however you can tap into that, i would strongly recommend it.

Dr Judy Morgan: 40:09

Put something better in the bowl, the food bowl Again. If you're feeding kibble and you don't know how to get away from that, just start with hey, what am I eating? That's fresh food, that's healthy. There are a few things you should avoid and we have lists of those. But just start offering up something fresh, you'll. You'll see a huge difference. Spend time with your pets. Don't just dump food in the bowl twice a day and walk away and say, good, i'm done with that. Mental stimulation exercise is so critical to their health and well-being. If you're using chemical Parasiticides, neurotoxins on your pets, really look at their lifestyle and really decide. Have I ever seen fleas on my dog? Do I ever find ticks? Do I live in a high-tick area? I don't use any chemicals on my dogs. I never have fleas. I never have ticks. Even my barn cats, my cats that are outside all the time, never have fleas, never have ticks.

Dr Judy Morgan: 41:08

Well they have good immune systems.

Dr Edward: 41:10

That's another thing. I was bad to say that if you support vitality, animal don't get parasites.

Dr Judy Morgan: 41:15

Really vital, healthy animals tend not to get parasites exactly so you can start with small steps and Really have that conversation. Do a little research. The same with vaccines really look at What is my pet need, based on their lifestyle. My newest book, raising naturally healthy pets, has tons of information on parasites and the vaccines. You need to know what the vaccine is for. What is leptosporosis? What causes it? How would my dog get it?

Dr Edward: 41:46

does my dog have an?

Dr Judy Morgan: 41:48

exposure to that. You know what is parvo virus. What are my dogs chances of getting that? how is it spread? How would he come in contact with it? when you have that knowledge, then you can make an educated Decision of what your pet really needs. And then you have to look at how long is that vaccine that he got going to last? Can I get a tighter test from from my veterinarian instead? You can't tighter for all the different vaccines, but you don't need all the different vaccines.

Dr Judy Morgan: 42:18

But if your dog doesn't go to daycare, why would you give a kennel cough vaccine? Well, that's it, and find a daycare that doesn't require it.

Dr Edward: 42:27

You can tita test for the core vaccines and they're the important ones and honestly I would never recommend, except in. Maybe there's some places in Australia where lepto is is really really really high risk and Only there, when the risk is incredibly high, does the risk of Disease that way. The risk of the vaccine for me, but you know Most of the other ones, like kennel cough and stuff like that Well, why would you give a vaccine for a mild, self-limiting disease anyway?

Dr Judy Morgan: 42:58

Exactly. We don't vaccinate our kids for colds. We don't need to vaccinate our dogs for colds.

Dr Edward: 43:04

No, this is true. We could. We were on the same page here. Yeah, and stop giving That. Just so you know your, your core vaccines last at least five to seven years, often far, far longer, and Tita testing never, ever, ever back revaccinate and the word booster is an inaccurate Manipulative term as well, just so you know. It's not a booster, it's a revaccination and you should never give one unless it's needed.

Dr Judy Morgan: 43:36

And you should not give them. If your pet is going in for surgery, dental cleaning, any kind of anesthetic procedure, you should not give multiple vaccines at once and you should never give a vaccination to a pet that is sick. If your pet has cancer, if your pet has chronic inflammatory diseases, if your pet is in the hospital on IV fluids for vomiting and diarrhea, that is not the time to vaccinate them. Yet I see it in veterinary records all the time.

Dr Edward: 44:01

Convenience again, right, okay. So thank you so much for sharing all your wisdoms today, but this is not all. We're having you back next week for a live To our intensive workshop, which is going to be all about traditional Chinese veterinary medicine, energetics of food and how to choose the right food for your pet, which you will see the link where you can grab your seat to come along and join us live for that, which would be very early next week for me because we've got to, you know, not keep Judy up till midnight.

Dr Judy Morgan: 44:33

So tell me a little bit about what people can expect to learn and how they can help their pets by coming along to this intensive workshop, please so Traditional Chinese veterinary medicine, food therapy, is my number one modality that I have used in my practice and with my own pets, and even with myself and family members. Food makes huge differences in our lives and We can eat foods that are the right ones for us or the wrong ones for us. So even if it's a healthy, human quality food, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's the right one for your dog. Remember I said Everyone is different. Every single one needs a different diet based on what they have going on. So is your dog aggressive and angry? we can change his behavior with diet. Is your dog having chronic ear infections? We can change that with diet. Does your dog have dry, flaky skin? We can change it with diet.

Dr Judy Morgan: 45:42

There are so many things that we can do by picking the right diet for the right dog. Is your dog always drinking a lot, panting, wanting to sprawl out on the cold tile floor? We can help that. We can decrease those symptoms and change it.

Dr Edward: 45:57

That's a hot dog right? Yes, that's a hot. You talk about energetics in TVCM in terms of hot cold.

Dr Judy Morgan: 46:05

Yes, there's a there's a lot of different things that food does, but the very basic, where we start, is the energetics of the food. So everything that we eat has an energy and that energy is Going to affect the body in different ways, and so when we Understand how to tell is my dog hot, is my dog cold, is my dog out of balance? and then we can look at the different Foods and we will be giving you lists of foods for different things.

Dr Judy Morgan: 46:36

Then and even again, even if you are a kibble feeder. This is so helpful. So my office manager had a beagle puppy that was four months old. She couldn't house train it. The dog was a crazy wild nut.

Dr Judy Morgan: 46:52

And I said what food are you feeding this dog? It was a dry kibble. And I said, well, energetically that food because it was a certain protein and a certain grain. And I said that is absolutely the opposite of what this little dog needs and Let's, even so at that point wasn't willing to change kibble, got it or change off kibble. I said, okay, let's get a kibble that has a different protein and a different grain. Try that for a few weeks and let's see what happens.

Dr Judy Morgan: 47:24

Well, within three weeks that dog was house trained. That dog was trainable. That dog was a totally different demeanor because we were no longer stoking the fire that was making that dog crazy. And Once we got her to then switch over to raw feeding and really change things, then we saw even bigger differences for the dog. So this is the kind of things it's. It's it's how they feel, how they act, their behavior, medical symptoms that they're having. There's so much that we can do Just by understanding that very, very basic bit of information. So we're going to talk about it from the pets standpoint and we're going to talk about it from the food standpoint and how to marry the two together.

Dr Edward: 48:10

Okay, so we're gonna in this, this workshop. What I'm hearing is that you're going to teach people how to Understand what the energy signature of the pets are in terms of the TV cm kind of system, yep, and be able to match the right foods to to get optimal health, well-being and behavior. Yes, yes, beautiful. Well, everyone, please jump on, grab a ticket. It's going to be. I'm looking forward to this workshop because I've got a little bit of knowledge in this stuff, but I'm really, really excited to To learn from someone who it's kind of the fundamental Modality using your practice. It's not so much for me. My fundamental modality is more kind of hands-on touch work, therapeutic touch. Thank you so much, judy.

Dr Edward: 48:51

It's been a fascinating, fascinating, enlightening conversation, thanks to all of you who are listening. You will see in the information that goes with the podcast links where you can come through to to join us in the workshop. You also see a link through to Dr Judy's Website, which is dr Judy Morgan comm. She's got an amazing website with a massive community Education or facility in there where you can buy a lot, all sorts of amazing courses. There's a whole lot of free information with training, free resources as well, and She's also got a whole line of products that if you're in the US You can trust that you're going to get the best possible, most potent high-energy Supplements and and so on and so forth. So talk to Judy. Thank you so much. It's been an absolute pleasure and privilege having you as a guest today.

Dr Judy Morgan: 49:47

Thank you very much and I'm looking forward to next week.

Dr Edward: 49:49

We'll see you then.