Dr Edward: 0:01

Hello and welcome to the Whole Energy Body Balance podcast. Today we'll be exploring a path to pet wellness with Jeff Feynman, who's a very experienced holistic veterinarian from the USA. We explore all kinds of possibilities in practice that bring greater healing in this podcast, in our conversations connection harmony to pets, people and to horses, and what we really aim to do is to inspire connection, harmony to pets, people and to horses. And what we really aim to do is to inspire you, to challenge you beautifully, and if you want to grow and create positive change and healing in your life and the lives of the beings you care for, you are in the right place. Thank you very much for being here and for listening.

Dr Edward: 0:40

I'm your host, dr Edward the Healing Vet, and I help deeply caring people, pets and horses unfold profound healing and healthy relationships through somatic awareness, loving, therapeutic touch, intuitive perception, kind training and energy healing. I also practice as an intuitive, integrative veterinarian and healer, helping people, pets and horses in person and worldwide on Zoom and right now. I would really like to welcome dr jeff feinman, who is our guest on this episode. I really love having conversations with jeff. They're always very interesting. Jeff is a veterinarian, molecular biologist since 1995 and he's the founder of holisticistic Actions, which is an online platform dedicated to empowering pet parents. So welcome, jeff. How lovely to see you again.

Dr Edward: 1:32

Hello, edward, and thanks so much for what you do for your podcast and for inviting me so and thank you all for attending so we're going to start off with a question just to kind of get us moving in a conversation. So who are you, why do you do what you do and how did you arrive at this point in your life? It's a big question. It's probably a big question. It's a big question.

Jeff Feinman: 2:01

All right, who am I? I am a scientist, but I'm a scientific skeptic and a seeker.

Jeff Feinman: 2:14

I've been experiencing mystery symptoms myself since 1975. Since 1975. I ended up going to University of Pennsylvania, graduated with molecular biology and veterinary degrees, studying how the body works, studying how cells work, understanding how everything is connected, and my path at that time was conventional veterinary medicine. I was studying endocrinology and aging and genetics. I realized after about a decade of practice that the tools that I was taught in vet school were not enough to heal a lot of my patients. Many of them would get better, then come right back, get better then come right back. And then in the late 80s I was doing a house call and Martha remarked that her rheumatoid arthritis that really was causing a lot of pain was cured by her rheumatologist with some new thing that I never heard about in vet school called fish oils and we started her dog with arthritis on fish oils and I never looked back after that.

Jeff Feinman: 3:52

It's basically a matter of investigating all these things that we never learned about in vet school. And then in the mid-90s I was reading a holistic textbook by our friend Alan Schoen and Susan Wynn and there was this little chapter on homeopathy and energy medicine and you know, the chapter was again from the point of view of a scientific skeptic. Then I read the references in the back, as I was taught to do as a scientist. I went back to the original sources and found that homeopathy was curing people with fatal diseases back in the 1800s. So we had all these stats from the hospitals and from from the hospitals and from other institutions that people with color plague, scarlet fever, lots of things, were dying and patients that received homeopathy weren't. So I realized that something must be going on. So I started to experiment on myself.

Dr Edward: 5:01

I'm not sure how far you want to go with this, but Well, really, just the point of it is that we have a conversation, that we talk to each other and we, you know, dig into what's interesting. And it sounds to me like you started out as a pretty regular kind of conservative, scientific, western, scientific paradigm veterinarian and you had to explore things for your own health because Western medicine couldn't necessarily help you with it.

Jeff Feinman: 5:32

yeah, that is true. Actually, it would do harm more than good most of the time. In vet school.

Dr Edward: 5:42

I had a scholarship actually to go to vet school.

Jeff Feinman: 5:44

I had a scholarship actually to go to vet school and at the same time my own symptoms were worsening. So I went to a neurologist who prescribed the drug, gave me a really bad brain fag on top of not really helping my symptoms, and at that point I actually could not keep my grades up and lost the scholarship. So yes, I've seen both sides of the medical world being on the medical merry-go-round myself for actually over 30 years before I received my own diagnosis. So for many decades they said to me, so all in my head, until they finally, in 2010, made a diagnosis of a rare genetic disease.

Dr Edward: 6:31

Uh-huh, and you also say that you teach the actions of a conscious, compassionate communication and veterinary spirituality. Can you tell me a little bit about veterinary spirituality, because this is not two words that very often you see in the same sentence, let alone the same room.

Jeff Feinman: 6:56

And those words, actually those exact words, came out of one of our Holistic Actions members' mouth recently. It said veterinary spirituality don't really go together. And I apologize to Amy Amy is my wife and she's not going to like this, but I'm going to reach over here and get the reason behind it and that is my beloved baby boy, archie. And that is my beloved baby boy Archie. Archie is the reason that we started really focusing on a positive and practical veterinary spirituality.

Jeff Feinman: 7:43

I've been on the path myself since the 80s. I'm the kind of guy that when an evangelistic person would knock on the door, I'd invite them in and we'd have a conversation about what the reality of life is like and consciousness and how it relates to religion and all that. And what Archie taught me over the years is that there is more than the physical realm. I began to receive messages from Archie and began to follow a path of happiness and positivity instead of focusing on symptoms, as I was taught in vet school, and really the bottom line was spirituality. And a quick answer to your question is you know, spirituality was the essence of an energetic life and the connection between energy, spirit and the way our animal bodies work, and it's all about energy, actually back in 2010,.

Jeff Feinman: 8:57

I did a lecture for a vet school entitled it's All About Energy, and that's because energy, as you know, is not really something that we're taught about in vet school, uh-huh, no, no, in fact we're kind of taught to ridicule it in a way at vet school.

Dr Edward: 9:18

And, um, I have quite a similar kind of journey to you, in that I started out a regular conservative western medical prescription medication was the only thing in surgery is all I knew how to use, and then I got chronic fatigue syndrome and what I didn't know was Lyme, and one of the few things I found that gave me any kind of symptomatic relief was energy healing, and that's what triggered me into this journey of developing intuitive sensitivity and awareness and and using energy, um, through things like flower essences and homeopathy and direct energy healing, using our consciousness to direct and shift energy and frequencies in the animal. So I I think it's kind of interesting that we have a shared path and I see this kind of path to more holistic wellness in humans and in them working with their animals and vets. A lot of holistic vets I found have a similar kind of thing where they've gone well and Western medicine said, well, we can't help you where they've gone.

Jeff Feinman: 10:28

Well, and Western medicine said well, we can't help you. Yeah, and I arrived, through Archie, at the realization that the most powerful healing energy is the unconditional love that we share with others. Yes, that. That love, which is the basis of the compassionate and conscious communication method, is one of the foundation, or one of the pillars of the path to pet wellness is the conscious and compassionate communication method.

Dr Edward: 11:06

So then, the path to pet wellness. I know that we could probably talk for about three days about this, but what's the essence of it?

Jeff Feinman: 11:19

Well, we talked about one, and that is that unconditional love is a powerful healing energy. Two would be that you, the pet parent, has more information, more knowledge about healing your pet than any professional or anyone else in the world can, and that you can become empowered. And we actually have three pillars of the path to pet wellness, and the compassionate communication method is one of them. One of them is called the beam blueprint, one of them is called the Beam Blueprint, one of them is called the Vitality and Balance System, and we can certainly go into any of them that you would like.

Jeff Feinman: 12:13

But, in short, the Vitality and Balance System is the science part of the framework. It's the mitochondrial energy, it's the vitality portion of the path. The beam blueprint is the quality of life path that allows us to walk that path of a conscious and compassionate communication which connects it all.

Dr Edward: 12:44

Mm-hmm. So if you have someone come along into your community and they've got well, it could be a sick animal, or it could be an animal that they just a new animal that they want to keep vital and healthy and well and have a long life. What's the first thing that you would want to do with them?

Jeff Feinman: 13:03

No I don't laugh want to do with them. No, I don't laugh.

Dr Edward: 13:09

The first thing I wouldn't want them to do is laugh and have fun and play with their animals.

Jeff Feinman: 13:12

Aha, because that is the sweet spot of most animals is they live to have fun, joy, love, food, sleep, I mean all the basic necessities. But yeah, that fun factor is often overlooked and that may very well be one of the first things that I would say. But of course, practically the first thing I'll say is does your pet love his diet and is he eating a vital and a? Live, diet. Yep and we'll often start there because you know as you know, the majority of animals eat an ultra-processed, dry or wet food diet.

Dr Edward: 13:59

They do, which I say is a slow poison and should not be anywhere near any animals. So just to step back, you know, it's kind of easy to forget to smile and to laugh and to have fun in today's world, isn't it?

Jeff Feinman: 14:17

It sure is. And we, the people, do that by focusing on what's going on around us, by focusing on the future, by worrying about the past, by worrying about what we should do, by worrying about the diagnosis. The beauty of my job is my patients don't do that. I know animals do not do that. They live in the moment, they are in the now, which is why happiness and play and fun and joy and love is so healing for animals.

Dr Edward: 14:51

You know if we can get out of the way, Do you have any particular tips you give to people to help them get into that state with their animals if they're a bit stuck in misery or fear or anxiety or anything like that?

Jeff Feinman: 15:11

Many, many, many. And that was the foundation of Holistic Actions, where we teach. You know, this can be as simple as it's all about energy, and that's enough for some people. Their energy heals already themselves. When they hear that from a vet, they realize they can use, you know, energetic medicine to heal their pet. The issue is that our fear, our worry often stands in the way of trust. Trust in the universal and natural laws all around us, trust in the fact that we're all swimming in a pool of energy. You wake up in the morning, you put your feet on the ground. Are you worried that you're going to go flying around the room? No, because you trust the law of gravity, the law of conservation of energy, and that energy is never created or destroyed. It's also a natural law in physics and if you want to see the math physics of what we're talking about, look at the Deb theory and you might enjoy this. Deb is dynamic energy, budget and balance. It's actually the mathematical and physical.

Jeff Feinman: 16:38

I mean, I don't understand the math, but Dr Kujiman, over in Sweden, norway, somewhere in not in the US has developed a whole world around this dynamic energy balance, which is a real thing, or dynamic energy budget, as he calls it.

Dr Edward: 17:04

And how would you put that into practice with your animals?

Jeff Feinman: 17:09

Oh, just by accepting and trusting that natural law, that energy is fundamental. There's no reason to know anything about Deb, as long as you trust that your animals are able to heal, that nature is designed to rebalance, that animals are a part of nature and that, if we trust, in the natural laws that govern the world. They are going to rebalance.

Dr Edward: 18:46

Okay, so what happens then when they don't? I kind of believe that there is a divine timing in life when we're born and when we transition, and do you think that sometimes the animals have an illness? That's part of the shared journey of the human and the animal, and how do you deal with that when you've got a terminal kind of diagnosis?

Jeff Feinman: 19:13

I know for a fact that you are correct, and I know that because, well, I won't even tell the story. But yeah, how do you deal with it? Recognize it, accept it and trust it, because you're so, so right. We're all, and all our animals are going to die. We all have a soul contract. We all are here for a reason and for a set amount of time. Fighting against that is the source of a lot of our anxiety, a lot of our fear, a lot of our suffering in this world.

Jeff Feinman: 19:58

So our animals may be transitioning, but that can also be a joyous time in their life. And I guess I'll finish the Archie story because Archie developed Lyme kidney failure in 2020. And, as you know, that's a virulent and often fatal disease. Within a couple of months, and in fact, his housemate, another rescue dog, did die from Lyme kidney disease in 2020. And that's how I diagnosed Archie with it, because Vanya had died just recently, passed away, and I wanted to make sure Archie was fine, because his symptoms were. There were no symptoms, but the blood works showed that his numbers were. There were no symptoms.

Dr Edward: 20:47

Yeah.

Jeff Feinman: 20:47

But the blood work showed that his numbers were actually worse than Vanya's and it was basically his journey to 2023, when he began to show signs of kidney failure, that I retested him and found that he was on his left leg, that he was in severe end-stage kidney failure. And we spent the two of the most glorious months together, loving each other, being with each other, until he went off her pee one day and just died in my arms at the age of seven, young age of seven.

Dr Edward: 21:30

So and.

Jeff Feinman: 21:31

I, accepting that and knowing that his energy was still with me but his physical body was gone, and accepting what you just said, that it was just his time to transition, that it was just his time to transition, I was able to move on and have him here on my desk and I said earlier that Amy is not going to want to hear any of this and that is because she still has no time to let's peace.

Jeff Feinman: 22:00

And I believe that the more we fight against reality, the more we fight against natural laws. The more we work against natural laws, the more we work against the body with antith, the harder it's going to get and that disease is created by that factor. That could be emotional, that could be lifestyle, that could be physical.

Dr Edward: 22:23

So I suppose another way to think of the path to wellness is that that includes life and death right.

Jeff Feinman: 22:36

I would agree with that statement, but I don't think the vast majority of pet parents would I mean how could my pet be?

Dr Edward: 22:45

well if he's dead would I mean, how could my pet be well if he's dead? Yeah, I, I, I hear you and, uh, I do quite a bit of end of life work with animals and I often have to counsel the humans to be willing to set them free. And I have to, honest, honestly, often energetically untangle the animals from the humans, even when I'm doing euthanasia sometimes, so that the, the energy or the soul of the animal can actually let go fully. I have to, I have to separate them, separate them from the human, because the humans are kind of I can't let them go. I love them too much. So that's an interesting thing, isn't it?

Jeff Feinman: 23:24

it's fascinating and two points. One, you use the word that I've never actually heard any other than myself use, and that is energetic entanglements, because it's my understanding and my belief that energetic entanglements are the root, are at the root of all symptoms and diseases and eventually, death and dying. And the other is that I experienced what you just described myself with Archie here.

Jeff Feinman: 24:02

he was three years, actually more than three years after his diagnosis had, where he ended up passing away, plus after I had an energy session with somebody who untangled those energetic entanglements and an hour later Archie said okay, okay, I'm done, bye-bye.

Dr Edward: 24:33

Yeah, that's fascinating, isn't it? And I know that I read a book by an animal communicator, intuitive, quite a number of years ago and she had a story of three different animals that she was holding in her arm and counseling the humans to let go and energetically supporting that and had three different animals pass away peacefully in her arms when that process of untangling happened. And certainly I find that quite a lot of my work with living animals that are not about to die is also that same thing of how can we get energetic individuation in a healthy way with the animal and with the human, and often I see so many animals and humans that have the exact same kind of illness too. Do you see that?

Jeff Feinman: 25:24

I see that a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, not only with one animal and one human, but with a whole procession of animals that have gotten the same disease, which you know is in the environment. So, yeah, absolutely see a shared entanglement between the animals and humans, and part of it may be that animals are super sensitive to energy. They take on our own energy and it manifests in the physical body because the energy manifests via symptoms, the energy imbalances manifest via symptoms. When energy is flowing smoothly, then life is good.

Jeff Feinman: 26:17

Everything is there are no abnormal symptoms and we say just go with the flow, Just go with the flow of nature, Don't obstruct that flow and everything will be okay.

Dr Edward: 26:31

So symptoms? Do you think that you can find problems in the energy systems before they become physical and then kind of heal things before they become what you know our kind of physical reality sees as a disease?

Jeff Feinman: 26:52

I'm so glad you asked because that opens the door to the essential spiritual medicine which is homeopathy. Homeopathy is based on a natural law called like-secure-likes, but it evolved from working with a physical substance all the way to working with an energetic, spiritual substance. That's where a lot of the controversy comes in nowadays, because people think homeopathy is all about using these non-medicine medicines. But by understanding the energy, by understanding homeopathy and understanding how the energy balance is reflected in the individual. Yes, we definitely can get at disease at what is called the functional level. The functional level is when you know that your animal is sick. You go to the vet. They run all the tests, they do an exam and they say your animal is fine, just go home and not worry about it. But you go home.

Dr Edward: 28:06

Oh yeah, you're just imagining it. There's nothing right? We can't find anything on our test, so your animal must be okay exactly, exactly, but you know that they're not well and the way that you know they're not well is by beam. Beam as in beautiful sun, beam that emanates from the sun, the source of consciousness, walking, the balance beam, or the tractor beam for us Trekkies out there that carry us along on the path to pet wellness.

Jeff Feinman: 28:41

Beam is an acronym that reflects the inner balance of the animal, the inner energetic balance, and BEAM stands for behavior, energy, appetite and mood, and if you would like, I'd be happy to break them down. But basically we give all the animals a BEAM score where 10 out of 10 is like living their best life. We don't like it to go below an 8 out of 10. It fluctuates between 8, 9, and 10 because of lifestyle and other factors, but if it drops precipitously then you know something's wrong, even if your vet doesn't.

Dr Edward: 29:33

I think too. My experience is that sometimes it can be so subtle that you might not even really have much of a shift on the beam scale, but people just have a something is not quite right here, kind of knowing, feeling, feeling sensing with their animals. That can be an indicator of really serious disease that hasn't quite erupted into symptoms yet. Yeah, absolutely.

Jeff Feinman: 29:57

And that's where the conscious and compassionate communication method comes in, because it brings in intuition, it brings in our, it brings in our gut feeling. It brings in our feeling that something is just up with our animals and 99% of the time it does reflect in the being itself. But it may just be a dog that wants to be off by himself more than usual, or that doesn't want to go to bed like usual, or that is a little bit slower to start eating than usual.

Jeff Feinman: 30:36

I mean, Sue is a great example of a pet parent who's been following the beam since 2016, and a couple years afterwards. In the beam since 2016 and a couple years afterwards, her pup Rain stopped making the hurry up, what she called the hurry up noises.

Jeff Feinman: 30:54

That was the only symptom was when Sue was getting dinner ready. Rain wasn't saying hurry up, hurry up, hurry up. Sue got some blood work done and saw that there was indeed some internal stuff going on that we were able to to improve homeopathically and your, your dog archie too, had quite advanced kidney failure and quite large numbers before you got symptoms right right.

Dr Edward: 31:24

So you can have subclinical disease. That I certainly believe. If we work at an energetic level we can either halt or sometimes even reverse it.

Jeff Feinman: 31:34

That is a great point, because we often don't realize that symptoms are both external and internal. Archie was manifesting plenty of symptoms, but they were all internal.

Jeff Feinman: 31:51

So, yeah, he was a rare example of a dog whose beam wasn't a 10, but I had grown to accept his beam of eight, Not necessarily always being with me, maybe going under something instead of being out wanting to be with me. Plus, you have to look at the full context of the animal. Rj is a dog that, when we rescued him, had been badly abused for his entire life life and his path with me went through ear infections, allergies, chronic diarrheas, colitis, tumors. I mean all these things were resolved until his body said no, I'm done. And that goes back to what we talked about at the beginning of the conscious compassion communication method, that sometimes we have a soul contract. They have a soul contract that says you're here for a reason.

Dr Edward: 33:06

You're going to teach your pet parent how to be a conscious pet parent yeah, then you can move on I I strongly, strongly believe that one of the primary kind of soul level purposes of our companion animals and pets is to crack our hearts open, and I believe that the most effective way they do that is when they're gone and the grieving process. What do you think of that?

Jeff Feinman: 33:30

I, I could not agree more again, having witnessed it myself between january, when archie passed, and now, and I am a different person than I was even a year ago when I first attended the IIC conference at the University of Saskatchewan and. I realized that all this woo-woo stuff that we're talking about is actually science and being taught in the university and backed up lots of research. So yeah, I mean I realize that as a scientist that intuitive interest, species communication, or what you call the analog communication, is a real thing, and it's a real thing that dates back thousands of years.

Jeff Feinman: 34:26

It's a real thing that dates back thousands of years Because, as you know, all of the indigenous wisdom of the world is based on that spirit, that unseen energy that surrounds us and that is both life and afterlife.

Dr Edward: 34:45

I at the moment am doing an online program with a woman called Elizabeth Jenkins who spent 34 years with the Karo elders, the Peruvian Indigenous people, and they talk about everything being living energies. They don't even have a word like the word it in their language. There is nothing in their language that turns anything into an object. Everything is revered as being alive and conscious, which I think is a really beautiful way to live life, and certainly it's changed my life a lot, shifting my perspective to more and more an animist type understanding of reality and my animals and my life.

Jeff Feinman: 35:33

Would you do me a favour and tell me your definition of being an animist?

Dr Edward: 35:40

Oh, it's basically. Everything is alive. Everything is alive. What about a rock? The trees, the dirt, the rivers, the streams, the sky, the animals, everything is alive. The stars, the whole universe is filled with living energy and intelligence.

Jeff Feinman: 36:00

Bravo. I mean, there are so few of us that are recognizing that at this point and there are many- many human practitioners that are recognizing that at this point, and there are many, many human practitioners that are, and there's a movement called Echo Fluency that teaches just what you're describing communication with the four winds, communication with the sun, the other elementals and Dr Saskia Fontes is also a hard scientist who has arrived at this place, which she now has originated and is teaching echo fluency and I do recommend everyone take Dr Fontungi's Hecofluency course.

Dr Edward: 36:48

Oh, I'll have to think about that. I suppose another thing that that makes me kind of think about is the challenge of scientific exploration of things that involve subtle energy and consciousness. Now we know that the consciousness of the experimenter affects the outcome, and all our A-grade studies are designed to account for the fact that what the researcher thinks will happen affects the outcome. And there is a growing body of research that shows that energy healing interventions can definitely do something that is greater than the placebo. But when they go to replicate it, they tend to run into difficulties in replicating it, and I think what I think happens is this is my little theory anyway is that a lot of the people who are replicating it don't believe it's going to work, and I think that there's a stronger effect of consciousness when you're in these subtle realms than the more kind of grosser things like testing a drug. What's your thoughts on that?

Jeff Feinman: 37:55

Oh, I could not agree more. However, there is the various subtle energy. I mean I'll give you a quick story. The various subtle energy. I mean I'll give you a quick story In the 90s, when I was first discovering energy medicine I had really painful carpal tunnel and nothing was. I mean the braces, medications and all the therapy nothing was helping. I finally ended up at this woo-woo Reiki master's house in Greenwich I had never heard of Reiki PS. After three sessions I had no more carpal tunnel.

Jeff Feinman: 38:36

I never have, ever since, so yeah that's a great example of more subtle energy, but it was used by somebody who believes strongly and somebody who was open-minded, willing to accept whatever happened. That is the case for a lot of subtle energetic healing, whether it's intention, whether it's Reiki, whether it's the flower essences, but there are a few things that physically move energy in the body, like massage and touch, acupressure, acupuncture and homeopathy.

Jeff Feinman: 39:22

Of all those, homeopathy is the only one that I know that uses symptoms as a guy, as a guy, so just in other words, I can see a red ear and trace it back to its energetic roots, um, you know, even after a course of massage or chiropractic or acupuncture. So yeah, going back to that dog that you mentioned earlier that was already doing everything but couldn't be helped. I really really, really strongly feel that scientifically they can be helped with homeopathy.

Dr Edward: 40:10

Yep, Look, you know, miracles happen. In Western medicine they call them spontaneous remissions.

Jeff Feinman: 40:20

And I love, love, love Dr Turner's radical remission movement, which is based on the energy flow, it's based on love, it's based on connection, it's based on all of the same things that make up the path to pet wellness. So radical remission, the blue zones where people live the longest in the world, they're all flow research. It's a deep neuroscience. There's now a science called psychoneuroimmunology. It connects neuro PNI PNI for short, but oh darn, I cut the book upstairs.

Jeff Feinman: 41:05

But years ago there was a book called and you may have heard of this called Anatomy of an Illness by Norman Cousins, where he was a skeptical but open-minded journalist who had developed a chronic painful, facilitating disease that he basically laughed away. Laughter put him back in the flow, joy, happiness put him back in the flow, so his body was able to self-heal. Call that a spontaneous remission, call it what you want. Ucla thinks it's real and that's why the?

Dr Edward: 41:48

psychoneuroimmunology center at ucla is called the norman cousin center okay, because, yeah, the emotional state of animals um has a huge effect on their well-being yeah, absolutely yeah, maybe one of the most important, actually maybe the most important.

Jeff Feinman: 42:11

I mean, I'm aware of a rescue an unnamed rescue in california that feeds a people low quality diet, yet their dogs are allowed to be happy and play and energetically be animals, be dogs. They even have a feeding station where it's like they just punch down prey, but it's dry food. Yes, there are giant dogs that live to the age when our giant breed dogs used to live, which was 16, 17, 18. It was pretty routine back in the 40s and 50s for new fuchs, new felons and great danes that lived to 15, 16, 17 years of age.

Dr Edward: 42:59

Wow, and that's probably because of the emotional well-being counteracting everything else.

Jeff Feinman: 43:06

Yeah, Exactly exactly the conclusion that I came to. It didn't matter what else was going on, if they were happy and they were joyful and they were emotionally healthy. They were balancing out, because that is what the great psychologist Aaron Beck called before he died. That's the sweet spot of an animal. For all of us, our sweet spot's fairy. What do? You love to do the most. What gives you the greatest joy? Is it service? Is it this, is it that?

Jeff Feinman: 43:38

But for an animal, we can usually identify it very quickly very quickly and you asked about what one of the first things I do when I see a sick pet is. After happiness factor, then the next question is identify what your animal loves loves to do the most.

Jeff Feinman: 43:59

Some love their food Archie was one who loved his food more than anything else. Some love their balls. Some love to play. Some love their balls, some love to play. Some love being petted, some just love hanging out with you. And then step two of the happiness protocol is just double the amount of that that you're already doing, and then use the beam blueprint to monitor how you're doing. Is it improving? And if it's not improving, then you may need to add something else yeah, and, of course, healthy, vital, fresh, whole foods diet.

Dr Edward: 44:33

So I think I think it's time to start wrapping up our conversation. It's been very interesting, fascinating um exploration today. I've been really enjoying it. So I have a couple of questions that I'd like to explore at the end of the podcast. Um. So if there was one wake-up call, you know, what do you think is humanity's biggest blind spot when it comes to to our shared journey of evolution and healing and wellness?

Jeff Feinman: 45:03

oh my goodness, that's Another very small question.

Dr Edward: 45:07

It is it's tiny, isn't it?

Jeff Feinman: 45:09

It is tiny yeah, in fact I'm not even going to bother you, you can just go to the thing. No, wake up. I think it's the number one thing Be awake, be conscious, be aware of everything around you.

Jeff Feinman: 45:27

Be aware of the soul energy. Be aware of the soul energy, Be aware of the spirit that imbues that tree, that imbues that life force that may or may not seem to be alive to you. So yeah, awaken, I mean myself. Every morning, when I transition from sleep to awake, I go, I am awakening yeah, um, I'm so on board with that.

Dr Edward: 45:54

Um, I think all of the ills that affect our earth and then therefore affect our animals and therefore affect us, really come back to this loss of human capacity to be in connection with the fact that everything is alive and needs to be honored as as much as we honor ourselves or our beloveds. You know, if, if everything, if suddenly everything was our beloved, how different would the world be if humanity managed to make that leap of consciousness?

Jeff Feinman: 46:30

We'd all be in the flow. We'd all be flowing, going with the flow, and that's what the great psychiatrist David Hawkins would talk about the levels of consciousness and that level of love. If enough of us get into that state, then the world will be healed. We'll all be healed as optimally as possible, and it's great that we're discussing this today being Indigenous wisdom, indigenous Native Day here in the US, because that is the basis for all Native American First Nations, and Indigenous wisdom throughout the world throughout the ages.

Dr Edward: 47:13

Well, all Indigenous peoples had this life view, this knowing this way of living and relating with nature. And you might notice that all the hunter-gatherers and Indigenous people did not destroy the earth.

Jeff Feinman: 47:31

No, and they revered the animals and plants that gave them nourishment, that sustained them, that gave them life. I mean my study with the Native American elder. We often talk about veganism, vegetarianism, and her eating of animals, and today was wearing leather or moccasins and that's because they revere the animals when they're alive and when they're dead and the animals freely give themselves to people that revere them, and that's part of why unentangling our entanglement will allow them to transition more smoothly.

Dr Edward: 48:17

This is true. And final thing, you know I always liked McGarney's thing that you know be the change that you want to see in the world. So what is the change that you want to be that could then perhaps inspire others in this world?

Jeff Feinman: 48:39

Well, the change that I'm trying to be is an energetic being that's transmitting to everyone around me that there is another way of looking at health and disease and life. That is the energetic and spiritual path, the path to wellness, and I'm removing the pet part because it's a path to wellness. And I'm removing the pet part because it's a path to wellness for pets, people and the planet. And that goes into our paradigm of ohm, which stands for one health medicine yes and that'll that'll be another, another podcast perhaps?

Dr Edward: 49:21

yeah, I would love to really dig into that one health concept. Um, I went and spoke at a conference in Colorado last year Was it this year? It was this year, earlier this year and they were talking. There was a lot of talk about the One Health movement and principles and philosophy. I'd also just like to remind everyone listening too, that the kind of spirituality that Dr Jeff is talking about is not constrained by religion. It transcends and can hold any religion within it. This kind of worldview, in my opinion, yeah, I would agree, a thousand percent.

Jeff Feinman: 50:01

And you don't even need to really be part of any religion to be highly spiritual.

Dr Edward: 50:09

No, not at all. I am definitely not part of a religion. I am involved in a number of different kinds of spiritual practice and paths, and I get a lot of enrichment out of my life from a whole range of different things, from a whole range of different things. Well, I think we may have squeezed all the juice out of this conversation. Thank you so much to everyone for listening, and particularly thank you, dr Jeff, for being part of this.

Jeff Feinman: 50:43

Where can people find you and how can you help them? Thank you for asking. You can find me at. Holisticactionscom is by far the best place, and I'll give you a link to our free one-on-one course that starts to teach them the paradigm that we're talking about I'll make sure that link is in the show notes.

Dr Edward: 51:08

And you know, and now all of you listening, please give all your pets a beautiful pat and have a lovely play with them, for us and with us. Thank you so much. We will see you in the next episode.

Jeff Feinman: 51:22

Bye-bye and thank you all for listening. Thank you, Ed, for inviting me. You're welcome.